thanks m8 i have got the cooler now and yes your right it is a bit tight lol they could have made the palte a bit bigger just to clear the heat pipes but it just about does it so the next step is to get my psu Computer hardware and software at amazing prices, available online from Scan Computers UK some time in the week and to fire it up and see how it go's lol its only my 2nd build the first was a amd and im going sata this time instead of ide and thanks for your help m8