i sorted it out this morning, i connected a second drive IDE to the slave jumper of my DVD drive , could have swapped them around but only intend to use the IDE as backup for documents, my SATA is my primary drive, the IDE drive is a hitachi deskstar, i had some problems with the master/slave connectors, I lost them so i used the connectors from an old external drive, so far it's working properly thanks for the link, good information there